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Response to the Pope's argument against Gay marriage

Quotes taken from the Text of Vatican Document on Gay Marriage posted July
31, 2003

1. "Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the
procreation and survival of the human race."
a. We have 6 billion people on this planet. How many do we need to ensure
the survival of the human race?

2. "Sexual relations are human when and insofar as they express and promote
the mutual assistance of the sexes in marriage and are open to the
transmission of new life."
a. What about the mutual expression of love?
b. Not all heterosexual marriages transmit new life.
3. "They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or
motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions
would actually mean doing violence to these children."
a. It would not do violence to children in any way similar to having them
accosted by priests while sending them to Catholic school.

4. "Laws in favour of homosexual unions are contrary to right reason because
they confer legal guarantees, analogous to those granted to marriage, to
unions between persons of the same sex. Given the values at stake in this
question, the State could not grant legal standing to such unions without
failing in its duty to promote and defend marriage as an institution
to the common good."
a. The common good is that the recognised unions stabilize the relationships
between gay persons, and diminish the incidence of infidelity.

5. Gay marriages, "would result in changes to the entire organization of
a. This is exactly what needs to happen to make society equitable for all of
6. This document seems to be concerned with the, "grave lack of respect for
human dignity."
a. Marginalizing and oppressing those who are different, but want to
participate in the human society is also a, "grave lack of respect for human

7. Society owes its continued survival to the family, founded on marriage.
a. The society founded on marriage as currently extant produces more
than it can care for.
b. Gay marriages, in structure, are no different than the two-person
Heterosexual marriage. 8. If, from the legal standpoint, marriage between a
man and a woman were to be considered just one possible form of marriage,
concept of marriage would undergo a radical transformation, with grave
detriment to the common good.
a. These unions already exist. Heterosexuals are still going to be
heterosexual and Gays are still going to be gay. It seem as though the pope
wrongfully saying that our sexual preference is a choice.
b. I certainly wouldn't choose to have all this aggravation in my life if it
was not who I am.

9. The denial of the social and legal status of marriage to forms of
cohabitation that are not and cannot be marital is not opposed to justice;
the contrary, justice requires it.
a. This sounds like an eighteenth century justification of slavery.
1. They are less equal than we are.
2. They need to be told how to live their lives.
10. Because married couples ensure the succession of generations and are
therefore eminently within the public interest, civil law grants them
institutional recognition. Homosexual unions, on the other hand, do not need
specific attention from the legal standpoint since they do not exercise this
function for the common good
a. A higher percentage of Gays have a higher degree of education than non
b. Gays promote the importance of Cultural Advancement. This is what keeps
us civilised. Although G.W.B. and the Pope would have us go back to the Middle
Ages (they were called "Dark" for a reason).
11. If it is true that all Catholics are obliged to oppose the legal
recognition of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are obliged to do so
a particular way, in keeping with their responsibility as politicians.
a. politicians in America are supposed to respond to their constituency not
the pope. Does he vote in America?

12. The Church teaches that respect for homosexual persons cannot lead in
way to approval of homosexual behaviour or to legal recognition of
a. consequently the Gay community should teach tolerance of catholic but not
their catholic ways. It is clear to me that the catholic church is not
interest in the American ideal that all men and women are created equal.